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If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby SERAPHIEL » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:16 am

Certainly come "here".

It's a simple but crucial observation.

If when we phase we are more conscious on their side then it HAS to be same in reverse.

Do not put down Alien Aductions and UFO sightings down as pre phase states. That could be their energy fields affecting US.

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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby NOVA » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:08 pm

Where is over "there"? It is all mind.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby SERAPHIEL » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:16 pm

That's the point it is all "mind" as creation in the first sense was thought, a spiritual implosion rather than a physical explosion. But the crux is there many many many many layers and dimensions and we can't put it all under a single umbrella.

The Phase itself is perception filter too and it's the start of the journey as opposed to the end of the road.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby NOVA » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:27 pm

Is there a journey?
Are you sure?
Who would you be without that thought?
Maybe layers are just an illusion.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby SERAPHIEL » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:54 pm

The Illusion itself had an origin somewhere.

Therefore a creator aspect applies.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby Summerlander » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:54 pm

The creator notion doesn't always apply. For example, in the origin of the cosmos, such notion only aggravates the problem with infinite regress. In other words, you then have to ask who created the creator and who created that creator ad infinitum. Physicist Lawrence Krauss, who has the latest updates on where science stands, proposes a universe fermented in quantum mechanics (to cut a long story short). His scientific theory is certainly a more plausible explanation and evidence certainly demonstrates that no god or deities are required for the manifestation of the cosmos.

It is also true that there is a Many-Worlds interpretation in quantum theory. But such picture does not imply an intelligent creator at all. In fact, it could simply be a vast waste of a multiverse where life could be scarce. Even our universe is not perfect. The vast deadliness of space, the barren moon, natural disasters and deadly microbes on Earth, mutations and cancers that plague our gene pool, our planet being the only one in the Goldilocks zone in our solar system thus rendering it habitable etc.

Also, our anatomy is far from perfect despite millions of years of evolution. To imply a creator he would have to be lazy, careless, lacking intelligence and seriousness, or being callous or evil. Since he is as probable as a unicorn, I have to say I don't believe in him.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby NOVA » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 pm

Correct Seraphiel and I have no clue.
I don't know anything and who does?
I don't think we will ever know.
I am just here right now doing what I am doing, that is all I know.
Are the theories are very interesting.
One Therory creator is perfect, and because I put my interpretations on the projections I see, through, stories and myths I been fed since I arrived here, yes creator can appear flawed.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby SERAPHIEL » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:32 pm

Summerlander wrote:The creator notion doesn't always apply. For example, in the origin of the cosmos, such notion only aggravates the problem with infinite regress. In other words, you then have to ask who created the creator and who created that creator ad infinitum. Physicist Lawrence Krauss, who has the latest updates on where science stands, proposes a universe fermented in quantum mechanics (to cut a long story short). His scientific theory is certainly a more plausible explanation and evidence certainly demonstrates that no god or deities are required for the manifestation of the cosmos.

It is also true that there is a Many-Worlds interpretation in quantum theory. But such picture does not imply an intelligent creator at all. In fact, it could simply be a vast waste of a multiverse where life could be scarce. Even our universe is not perfect. The vast deadliness of space, the barren moon, natural disasters and deadly microbes on Earth, mutations and cancers that plague our gene pool, our planet being the only one in the Goldilocks zone in our solar system thus rendering it habitable etc.

Also, our anatomy is far from perfect despite millions of years of evolution. To imply a creator he would have to be lazy, careless, lacking intelligence and seriousness, or being callous or evil. Since he is as probable as a unicorn, I have to say I don't believe in him.


It's not about belief, faith or anything else.

From an entirely pragmatic and scientifically pure viewpoint in the final analysis based on the evidence, if there is a creation there is a creator.

It's that simple.

The limited trying to fathom the unlimited?

Can't happen.

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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby SERAPHIEL » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:35 pm

NOVA wrote:Correct Seraphiel and I have no clue.
I don't know anything and who does?
I don't think we will ever know.
I am just here right now doing what I am doing, that is all I know.
Are the theories are very interesting.
One Therory creator is perfect, and because I put my interpretations on the projections I see, through, stories and myths I been fed since I arrived here, yes creator can appear flawed.


There is a rhyme and there is a reason. It's paradoxical, and by that very same measure intoxicating.

It's the hunt to know why that keeps us going. The journey not the destination.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby Summerlander » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:21 pm

SERAPHIEL wrote:
Summerlander wrote:The creator notion doesn't always apply. For example, in the origin of the cosmos, such notion only aggravates the problem with infinite regress. In other words, you then have to ask who created the creator and who created that creator ad infinitum. Physicist Lawrence Krauss, who has the latest updates on where science stands, proposes a universe fermented in quantum mechanics (to cut a long story short). His scientific theory is certainly a more plausible explanation and evidence certainly demonstrates that no god or deities are required for the manifestation of the cosmos.

It is also true that there is a Many-Worlds interpretation in quantum theory. But such picture does not imply an intelligent creator at all. In fact, it could simply be a vast waste of a multiverse where life could be scarce. Even our universe is not perfect. The vast deadliness of space, the barren moon, natural disasters and deadly microbes on Earth, mutations and cancers that plague our gene pool, our planet being the only one in the Goldilocks zone in our solar system thus rendering it habitable etc.

Also, our anatomy is far from perfect despite millions of years of evolution. To imply a creator he would have to be lazy, careless, lacking intelligence and seriousness, or being callous or evil. Since he is as probable as a unicorn, I have to say I don't believe in him.


It's not about belief, faith or anything else.

From an entirely pragmatic and scientifically pure viewpoint in the final analysis based on the evidence, if there is a creation there is a creator.

It's that simple.

The limited trying to fathom the unlimited?

Can't happen.

:)


The problem with your logic is that you are assuming something to be intelligently created when there is no evidence that that is the case whatsoever. Not everything is a creation in the sense that it was intelligently made by a sentient being. In fact, in cosmological terms, evidence weighs against it and that is where science stands. As I have pointed out to you in my previous post, the infinite regress problem clearly highlights that the "creator" hypothesis is no solution and only aggravates the problem of working out the origins.

To explain the origins of a complex universe by saying that a complex creator is responsible makes no sense. You then have to explain how the creator came to be and you find yourself trying to solve this problem - which is really about something you are not even sure exists. That's logic. Science has evidence weighing against this notion and that is where science stands. A creator does not applied in every type of origin.

Your logic is equivalent to saying, "look at those hoof prints, they were made not by horses but by unicorns." Where is your evidence that aliens create minds fields in order to abduct us? Why can't it be in our heads? What kind of logic is, "If when we phase we are more conscious on their side then it HAS to be same in reverse"? Why is that? If I can swim in the ocean, does that mean that the shark can swim on the ground?

There is a rhyme and there is a reason. It's paradoxical, and by that very same measure intoxicating.


What does this even mean? All you are pointing to are concepts that live in people's heads. Meaning is subjective and this is the reason why we are able to play with it and produce subliminal forms of expression aka art.
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby NOVA » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:59 am

SERAPHIEL wrote:The Illusion itself had an origin somewhere.

Therefore a creator aspect applies.



"The creator"being "You"
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Re: If "we" can phase over "there", "they" can most

Postby Molecule » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:31 pm

Interesting discussion you guys have going on here...

I was a bit surprised about the OP though since the context which lead to the question is missing (at least I am not aware of it). What were you referring to to begin with? Did you question Michael's opinion about the origin of alien abductions and that it is all the phase?
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