Summerlander wrote:I normally use the deferred method too but I have also had extremely deep phase experiences from the indirect method. I don't think the way you enter the state matters much. In the end, once you are there, you can always deepen it to your satisfaction.
Chris_ld wrote:Summerlander wrote:I normally use the deferred method too but I have also had extremely deep phase experiences from the indirect method. I don't think the way you enter the state matters much. In the end, once you are there, you can always deepen it to your satisfaction.
Maybe so, but I see the phase as a dream, because I have never been able to enter the phase without being in REM. And I just read about Hobson's theory on dreams, which said that:
The chemical system in the brain that make us crtical during the day or aware is called the aminergic system (serotonin and norepinephrin), and the system that takes over when we dream is called the cholinergic system (acteylkolin).
When we dream there is obviously an increase of the cholinergic system, but there is a decrease of the aminergic system, which is why we can accept odd events happening in the dream.
We normally remember our dreams when the cholinergic system decrease and the aminergic system increase, which can make us more aware of the dream and sometimes lucid and because we are then on the awake/asleep treshold it's very easy to wake up.
But when we apply the deffered method and wake up in REM we increase the aminergic system and we actually set the REM on hold, because the brain needs the REM, so the next time we fall asleep, about 30-60 minutes later, we will experience a much more vivid REM-period.
And if this is correct then, in theory, the direct method combined with the deffered method should make us more aware and the dream more stable. Because the direct method makes us go to the dream with a high activity of the aminergic and the chloinergic system.
But with the indirect techniques we will sleep normally first which will make the aminergic system decrease and we will therefore not be as aware as if we would have been if we used direct techniques.
But with pracctise you might be able to control this, but I don't seem to based on this morning attempt:
I had a normal dream, then I woke up. I was aware of that I had woke up and I started to see flashes of light and stars.
I then started to hear weird sounds and I noticed that it was sound associated with my thoughts, so I could control what sound I wanted to hear and hear it vividly. I imagined that I heard a bird singing it's song to me and I tried to stand up, but when I moved I was afraid that I had just ruined the attempt. (Later when I woke up I realised that I was in fact dreaming).
So I quickly lay down in bed again and tried the teleporting/jumping technique I was immediatelly in a dream in another scene.
I saw a big building, looked like an old tempel. I looked at my hands and my body and I was sure that this was a dream.
I started to think about deepening, so I rubbed my hands and thought "ok this dream hopefully will last".
But I didn't do more deepening and maybe that was the problem.
I then saw Tyra Banks and I really wanted to have sex with her :/ :S In real life I know that sex probably will ruin the lucid dream, but in this dream I didn't care, I couldn't control mt emotions. And me and her had our little fun, but I lost the lucidity...
Maybe with more deepening and the ability to resist sudden temptations this dream would last longer.
But in any case I will pracctise indirect techniques on weekdays and direct + deffered method on weekends.
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