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Types of waking and indirect technique

Postby TheOnerous » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:35 am

I've been experimenting with indirect technique lately (separate on waking etc) and I've observed two kinds of waking:

1) I'm in a dream, feel the dream fading and realise I'm in bed.

2) I realise I'm in bed and I've just woken (and sometimes remember a dream).


Is one of these types of waking preferable over the other when trying to separate? Any research been done on that?
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Re: Types of waking and indirect technique

Postby NOVA » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:53 pm

Read the SOBT Michael tells you exactly.

Both times you can attempt to separate, you just have to be determined enough and aware enough in the moment and realise you are still in the phase.

Try telling yourself before you sleep....
"Don't move, don't move, separate, separate". Over and over. This could probably be the first thing on your mind when you wake.
If you don't separate for some reason, then go on to the indirect techniques.
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Re: Types of waking and indirect technique

Postby TheOnerous » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:22 am

Read the SOBT Michael tells you exactly.


Are you sure that's in SOBT3? I don't recall it. I just reviewed it (because using indirect techs has become an option again).

Try telling yourself before you sleep....
"Don't move, don't move, separate, separate".


No, I never use affirmations with negatives. I've read elsewhere that affirmations should always be positively worded. SLaB recommends "Play dead".

If you don't separate for some reason, then go on to the indirect techniques.


Terminology confusion here. The whole approach - the separation attempt on waking and the cyles - comes under the banner "indirect technique" does it not? And the exercises following separation "failure" are known as "cycling techniques" are they not?
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