Ric wrote: Good point. But I don't see them claiming that OOBEs prove non-physical reality, but more the other way around. They claim (justly) that physical reality as we see it, it based on consciousness. Much of what they stacked on top of that is unprovable, and I suspect much is subjective.
But thinking OOBE cannot be anything more than imagination is the wrong way to look at it, because both physical reality and OOBE are products of consciousness.
Let's not sell ourselves short, in the end it's our experience that we need, irregardless of where we find it.
breadbassed wrote:I was initially fascinated by 'My Big Toe' when i watched it but after going on the forum i did realise that people weren't as open minded as i expected.
Yes, thats what it all comes down to. And thanks, I just watched the video you posted there and it really filled out the subject, including his admonishion that the results will look different to different people.Ryan::Don't believe it, don't disbelieve it... yet, try to find the answers on your own
I like the ideas of reality portrayed on this site.
Summerlander wrote:breadbassed wrote:I was initially fascinated by 'My Big Toe' when i watched it but after going on the forum i did realise that people weren't as open minded as i expected.
This is exactly what I realised. I think the people there are too condescending towards newcomers with questions or when they express their doubts and this is certainly not the right approach to have if you want to keep people captivated. They claim newcomers could learn a lot if they pay attention and yet they are not willing to consider other possible avenues. I have come across others who became disappointed with that site. You are not the only one.
Summerlander wrote:It's not so much his theories or experiences. It is the fact that certain things he has claimed happen in regards to scientific experiments don't. When me and a friend of mine fronted Campbell in regards to his "mistakes" (hoping that he would somehow admit his errors and still be able to preserve his amazing theory) he didn't.
Instead, he got the hump, accused us of insulting his intelligence with the intention to discredit him and never really did explain what happened. I found this very suspicious. To the laymen, he is a star and it is very convenient for Mr. Big Picture to tell his fans that the real experts are wrong, don't understand or only have the "little picture".
The majority of his lemmings haven't got a clue about what he is on about (particularly in his third book) and just take his word for it. The one's who see right through him are immediately banned from his forum or ousted from the groups he frequents.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't even compare him to the greats in history. I'm not even going to point out that even the greats could be wrong. Mr. Campbell is certainly great in his usage of words that's for sure. His glib tongue is akin to Applewhite's. Very dangerous.
Chris_ld wrote:Just by curiosity what is your belief of the phase Summerlander?
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