I think there is a lower level of 'consciousness' while lucid but obes seem to come with complete awareness, like being awake. The main difference to me is that any thought of your physical body in an OBE bring you back to it, but this has never happened to me in a lucid dream, and i've tried.
Rudolph wrote:When I cross the 'portal' and enter the astral realm it feels a little different. They are two different kinds of reality/phases.
Rudolph wrote:It is only all the same if you lack discrimination.
This is like saying purple = green= red.
As I said earlier ... it is a continuum. It may all be "light" but there is differentiating detail in the color that is real and is meaningful.
Jay Jonathan wrote:I can infer no supernatural basis for my phase experiences. Some people try to tie nonsense with the phase and I find that offensive. It's even worse when they try to make it look like some secret art or supernatural ability that only the "chosen ones" can access or that they receive divine messages from it.
In my original post you write:
"And do not forget I could kill somebody who would dare to tell LD and OBE are the same (9-10 years ago)."
Is this a threath? or do I miss your point here?
So teaching people to do something automatically make you an expert that knows everything?
I suggest you climb down from your high horse and listen to critcs just as well as support. Your biggest critics can be your best suporter...
Do you really claim that there is no difference between the experience of lucid dreaming and the experience of ap/oobe?
You WILL spot a HUGE difference!
I've had countless AP/OOBE that lasted for hourse (physical time). The longest I've been away was more that 2h.
There are distinct differences in the enviroment and the people/beings you meet in the astral and in dreams. The astral is VERY solid (feels MUCH more solid than this physical plane) and the dream is NOT.
I don't care how many people you've thought, I care about personal experience. From what you write I can see that you are an experience lucid dreamer, but I doubt you're as experienced in oobe/ap due to the fact that you don't know the difference and use cheep manipulation techniques to try to shut me up.
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